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Ted Rains
Joined: January 2012
Posts: 0
Posted: January 17, 2012 01:16 AM
Looking for parts for a British Bulldog made by Clement Arms Co. 44 Cal.
Alan in Nevada1
Joined: February 2010
Posts: 385
Posted: January 17, 2012 04:44 AM

The moniker "British Bulldog" was evidently not internationally tradmarked as Forehand & Wadworth, Johnson, Bye & Company (precurser to Iver Johnson Arms & Cycle Works) and probably several different small gunmakers in Liege, Belgium marketed revolvers under this model name; likely yours is one of the latter. The only Clement gunmaker that I can find information on is the inventor and manufacturer of autopistols in Liege in the years immediately prior to WWI. There is no indication that there is any relationship between this Clement and the Liege manufacturers of "British Bulldog" revolvers as Liege was one of the major gunmaking centers in Europe at the time and had many manufacturers, mostly small and producing guns of mediocre quality, many of them not marked as to the manufacturer.

You have a very obscure item and spare parts are probably about as common as toothbrushes for chickens, but try:

Numrich/Gun Parts Corp. doesn't list all the parts they have in stock on their website; you might contact them for what you need at help@gunpartscorp.com.

If you still don't have any luck with them try:

Websites that may also have gun parts:

www.auctionarms.com

www.gunbroker.com

www.ArmsBid.com

www.gunsamerica.com

www.armchairgunshow.com

www.gunlistonline.com

www.gunpurchase.com

www.gunshowonthenet.com

www.gunsinternational.com

www.SpokaneGunAuction.com

eBay (go to GUNSURPLUSPARTS, I think)

You might also find a broken or inoperable "parts gun" for sale on one of these websites, which can be cannibalized for the parts you need. You can sell the remaining parts on the internet, or this forum's host. Re-post here if you aren't familiar with purchasing guns across state lines.

www.brownells.com (parts for certain late-production firearms only)

www.poppertsgunparts.com

Bob's Gun Shop at www.gun-parts.com, or www.gunparts@hsnp.com and (501) 767-1970

Brock's Gunsmithing Inc. www.brocksgunsmithinginc.com Click on "parts"

www.colt380.com

Out Back Gun Parts (812) 945-0480

www.jackfirstgun.com (605) 343-9544

www.gunpartscorp.com

Rusted&Busted Bob's Box 24 Whitmore Ca. 96096

www.yourgunparts.com

Western Gun Parts, www.westerngunparts.com/default.htm, 1-403-489-5711 (Canada)

Jim Wisner (206/360) 748-8942 360-748-4590 www.wisnerinc.com (obsolete firearms parts)

Jim Horvath, P.O. Box 791548, New Orleans, La 70179-1548

www.sarcoinc.com

Ken's Parts and Guns in Irving, TX

lnh555@sbcglobal.net and randyman@ncidata.com (Broomhandle Mauser parts)

www.1896mauser.com/index.html (Broomhandle Mauser parts)

http://www.buymilsurp.com and http://www.surplusbunker.com (parts for various imported and military surplus guns)

Glend Arms Mfg. Co., PO Box 361, Secane, Pa. 19018 (manufacturer of firing pins)

Marstar Canada www.marstar.ca (British Commonwealth military arms)

www.coltparts.com (original and some reproduction parts)

www.ssporters.com (parts for old handguns, curios and relics)

Liberty Antique Gunworks, 19 Key St., Eastport, Me. 04631 (207) 853-4116

(obsolete S&W parts)

High Standard parts (203) 239-1012

www.savvysurvivor.com/handguns_and_handgun_magazines_f.htm

Hoosier Gun Parts, www.hoosiergunworks.com

Marty's Gunsmithing, 371 Spring Valley Rd. Elko, NV. 89801 Ph. (207)738-2666 (obsolete Remington parts)

www.oldwestgunsmith.com, dave@oldwestgunsmith.com (old handguns, esp. Smith & Wesson parts)

www.vintagesporting.com

www.robertrtg.com

www.leesgunparts.com

www.ellwoodepps.com

Tom Heller, Heller Arms, Ltd., P O Box 398, St Charles MO 63302 Phone: (636) 447-3006 E-mail: hellerarms@webtv.net

www.Bryco-Jennings-JimenezArms.com

G.S. Armatt,Inc. 335 Gay Road, Zebulon, NC 27597, (919) 269-8449, armatt@aol.com

Earls Repair Service, Inc. , 437 R Chandler St. Tewksbury, Ma., 01876

978-851-2656. http://carlwalther.com (Walther parts and service)

http://www.topgunsupply.com/gun-parts/ (Glock, GSG-5, HK, Kahr, Sig Sauer, Wilson, AR15)

www.bersafirearmsusa.com (Parts for Bersa, Firestorm (Llama) and Comanche (Llama) handguns)

Unique/M.A.P.E 10 Les Allees F-64700 Hendaye FRANCE (Parts for French-made guns)

www.tanfoglioparts.com (Parts for Tanfoglio-made autos, possibly including EAA Witnesses)

www.vtigunparts.com, mail@vtigunparts.com, VTI Gun Parts, PO Bx 509,Lakeville, Ct. 06039 (Parts for Uberti, Peitta, Pedersoli, Ruger, Colt and USFA replica and reproduction guns.)

John D. Bush. johnd.bush@yahoo.com and/or amsales@mindspring.com (Magazines and parts for FEG pocket autos and Tokarevs)

Miga Gun Parts, a division of Midway Guns, PO Box 569, 9754 E Oglethorpe

Hwy, Midway, GA 31320, Phone: 912-884-5616 or 884-5597, e-mail:

midwayguns@coastalnow.net, www.galleryofguns.com, Ask for Penny

Dixie Gun Works in Union City Tenn (Colt and replica handgun parts)

John A. Kopec (916)472-3438 (Colt grips)

Egyption Helwan parts: M&M Gunsmithing (703)739-2150

Old West Parts Bin, 1463 Funston Ave., San Francisco,Ca. 94122 (antique guns)

Stevens Sight & Tool Co., RD 1 Box 307C, Effort, Pa. 18330 (215)681-5670 (Old Stevens firearms)

Ed Cox..Circle C X Antiques. PO Bx 2197, Fernley Nv. 89408 (775)575-6205 (old handguns)

Springfield Sporters, (724) 254-2626, Mon-Fri 0900 to 1700 hrs EST/EDT

http://www.germanguns.de/exportindex.htm (German and maybe some other European firearms.)

PHH,Inc., 1330 Center Ave.,Pittsburgh,Pa. 15229 Ph#412-766-6100 (Ruger parts)

WAFFEN WIESER GESELLSCHAFT M.B.H. at http://web2.cylex.de/firma-home/waffen-wieser-gesellschaft-m-b-h--4384190.html or http://www.steyrwaffen.at or www.cds.ehrenreich.de (Parts for Steyr, and perhaps other old Austrian or German handguns)

www.fultonsofbisley.com or Terry Abram +44 (0) 1245 231753 (United Kingdom) (British Commonwealth guns)

www.thedealershowroom.com (military rifles and pistols)

For more listings go to http://www.brownells.com/categories.aspx?c=4815

Some vendors have a "wish-list" on their web pages....check their site for such a feature and add you wants to it.

Also, try to post on some want ads boards, (gunbroker.com has one as does auctionarms.com) or ask questions at some shooters forums. Search for some here: www.gunshow.net/links.htm

There's other possibilities if you don't have any luck with the above. Re-post here.

hrf
Joined: July 2011
Posts: 17
Posted: January 19, 2012 02:38 PM

Looking for parts for a British Bulldog made by Clement Arms Co. 44 Cal.

You have a Belgian made "British Bulldog" made by Charles Clement of Liege and it should have the pre-1893 ELG in an oval Liege proofmark on rear cylinder face. I also have one, and have had the identical gun marked "NY Arms Co" and another with no marks other than "British Bulldog" They have distinctive "bag" shaped grips that are more rounded than most Belgian clones, and flat sided hammers.

About your only hope of finding parts is a donor gun worse off than yours, but parts are unlikely to interchange without fitting.

blackdemon
Joined: January 2012
Posts: 3
Posted: January 19, 2012 03:53 PM

hi guys, i am from greece, i have this gun but it is broken to pieces and i am having trouble trying to put it together and see if something is missing... i have searched all the web and found nothing about it, does someone know if there is a manual or any schematics to show how the parts go together???

Alan in Nevada1
Joined: February 2010
Posts: 385
Posted: January 20, 2012 04:18 AM

Most of the revolvers made by the small Belgian gunmakers in the 19th and early 20th centuries were copies or semi-copies of popular European revolvers, most commonly those made by the British; i.e. copies of the British "Bulldog-type" revolvers, which were a type rather than a British brand or make. Therefore if you can determine what revolver your Clement is a close copy of then perhaps you can locate schematics, exploded diagrams or disassembly/assembly instructions of the revolver that the particular Clement model is a copy of and that will be of use to you.

If you go to http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas/atlas.htm#bel and scroll down to "Belgio - Revolver," you will, unfortunately, not find any Clement revolvers listed as they were probably too obscure of a gunmaker and their production too low to make it on this list. Scroll down to "Tipo Bulldog - Revolver" (Type - Bulldog Revolver) and see if you can make a correlation (there are 80 different "Bulldog Types" listed!).

Ted Rains and hrf: Maybe you can give blackdemon some help on this since you've got Clement "British Bulldogs". It's possible that there is a Clement "British Bulldog" in this listing as it appears to be a catch-all list of British Bulldog-type revolvers no matter what their manufacturer or country of origin is.

Possible sources of information for the schematics, exploded diagrams or disassembly/assembly instructions on these revolvers:

For a freebie try:

www.stevespages.com/page7b.htm

www.gunmanuals.ch.

www.again.net/~steve/page7.htm

www.urban-armory.com/diagrams

www.biggerhammer.com (key in "gun manuals" in the search box)

www.noldensfirearmsresearch.com

www.longhunt.com/schematics/schematics.shtml

www.marstar.ca

hnolden@yahoo.com

www.gunsworld.com

http://www.savage99.com/index.htm

www.bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/forum (Bryco and Jennings handguns)

http://tm-techmark.com/jspacek/HSinstructions/ (High Standards)

www.histandard.info/manuals or e-mail to johnjr@highstandard.org (High Standards)

www.waltheramerica.com (Walthers)

Probably not freebies:

www.cornellpubs.com

www.rayrilingarmsbooks.com

abbybooks@comcast.net

www.rediscovered-shooting-treasures.com

www.dixiegun.com and www.trackofthewolf.com (working drawings of old firearms)

http://www.gundigest.com (enter the make and model in the Search block)

This forum's host has for free or for $.99 schematics for a number of guns at

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Search.aspx?catid=0&filter=schematics

hrf
Joined: July 2011
Posts: 17
Posted: January 20, 2012 09:33 AM

The Continental style lockwork used by the Belgian "cottage industry" craftsmen is different from that used by Webley and other British gunmakers and here's one similar to the "Clement Arms Co" examples:

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20e%20f/a%20fagnus%20and%20clement%20gb.htm

If blackdemon provides his email, I can send a sketch of the internal parts relation.

blackdemon
Joined: January 2012
Posts: 3
Posted: January 20, 2012 03:32 PM

If blackdemon provides his email, I can send a sketch of the internal parts relation.

thanks hrf, my mail is blackdemon150@yahoo.gr...

hrf
Joined: July 2011
Posts: 17
Posted: January 20, 2012 08:53 PM

thanks hrf, my mail is blackdemon150@yahoo.gr...

Email sent

blackdemon
Joined: January 2012
Posts: 3
Posted: January 21, 2012 10:32 AM

Email sent

thank you my dear friend, this is very helpfull, now i'll try to put the parts together....