One of our favorite plinkers, just stopped working!! NOW the trigger will not cock, wnen the cocking knob, is pulled to thr rear. NOW cocking knob, will not lock in the receivers slide area, rear hole.Knob stops short app 1/16 inch from hole. So bolt, spring and fireing pin assy CANNOT, be removed from receiver. Do I, have a broken fireing pin problem here? Is, this a problem I, can handle, or is a Gunsmith needed? Thanks Roy
The people to ask are Vic and Cheryl Havlin at www.havlinsales.com..they run the Mossberg Collector's Assn and buy and sell parts for obsolete models...so..they can advise and likely supply you with any parts you need....However..FIRST..do this..do a detailed breakdown and cleaning and this is a CA 1950's production rifle a rough guess would be a spring failed..like the sear/disconnector spring or the Trigger return spring..maybe the main spring or MS assy has failed..If one of theses failed...broke off..then the pieces could keep the bolt from a full cycle a common problem is a failure in the feed sysytem...even if it is just dirty, things like the cartridge cut-oof or even the tension spring has failed..Point is, you can't tell untill you take it apart..You can find takedown instructions in The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly Part III: Rimfire Rifles..My older edition shows the Mossberg Model 151M(M=Mannlicher stock) FWIW the Model 151 is typical of Mossberg autoloading .22 rimfire rifles and these instruction can get you thru just about any of the obsolete versions.The book I have shows the model on page 111
Ezequiel
Joined: August 2011
Posted: February 14, 2011 09:26 AM
The people to ask are Vic and Cheryl Havlin at www.havlinsales.com..they run the Mossberg Collector's Assn and buy and sell parts for obsolete models...so..they can advise and likely supply you with any parts you need....However..FIRST..do this..do a detailed breakdown and cleaning and this is a CA 1950's production rifle a rough guess would be a spring failed..like the sear/disconnector spring or the Trigger return spring..maybe the main spring or MS assy has failed..If one of theses failed...broke off..then the pieces could keep the bolt from a full cycle a common problem is a failure in the feed sysytem...even if it is just dirty, things like the cartridge cut-oof or even the tension spring has failed..Point is, you can't tell untill you take it apart..You can find takedown instructions in The Gun Digest Book of Firearms Assembly/Disassembly Part III: Rimfire Rifles..My older edition shows the Mossberg Model 151M(M=Mannlicher stock) FWIW the Model 151 is typical of Mossberg autoloading .22 rimfire rifles and these instruction can get you thru just about any of the obsolete versions.The book I have shows the model on page 111
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Zeke:
Many thanks for your help and info!! I, will start with Havlins and follow all your instructions. If all fails, Iwill take it to my GunSmith!!
Thanks again
Roy
Roy Mcleod
Joined: June 2010
Posted: February 14, 2011 06:39 PM
Zeke:
Many thanks for your help and info!! I, will start with Havlins and follow all your instructions. If all fails, Iwill take it to my GunSmith!!
Just so you don't get discouraged...it took me the better part of 6 months to get this design to function..as I recall, the end cap on the back of the reciever(a sloped plastic piece) that is threaded in to the reciever cannot be fully seated...most times it will be off clock position and if it is to far forward it will restrict bolt travel just enough to give cycle problems and if to far out..the recoil spring assy loses horsepower..as i rcall..a .030 to .060 gap between the reciever and the cap is what I worked with..Sadly..i didn't write it down..so this is just my (pss poor) recollections....
Ezequiel
Joined: August 2011
Posted: February 15, 2011 09:24 AM
Just so you don't get discouraged...it took me the better part of 6 months to get this design to function..as I recall, the end cap on the back of the reciever(a sloped plastic piece) that is threaded in to the reciever cannot be fully seated...most times it will be off clock position and if it is to far forward it will restrict bolt travel just enough to give cycle problems and if to far out..the recoil spring assy loses horsepower..as i rcall..a .030 to .060 gap between the reciever and the cap is what I worked with..Sadly..i didn't write it down..so this is just my (pss poor) recollections....
Was that a 151(B) or a 151M(b) ? My references do not show a 151(b) in Mossys- but there are some gaps in there. And I'll second what Zeke said about Vic and Cheryl Havlin. Really nice folks, and have kept my Mossbergs working.
Curtis Childress
Joined: March 2018
Posted: February 15, 2011 04:07 PM
Was that a 151(B) or a 151M(b) ? My references do not show a 151(b) in Mossys- but there are some gaps in there. And I'll second what Zeke said about Vic and Cheryl Havlin. Really nice folks, and have kept my Mossbergs working.
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Curtis:
Thanks for your help!! I, checked again . The model is 151M(b). I am sure Havlin can help, w/ my problem.
I, have to add I, always take Zeke's advise!!
Roy
Roy Mcleod
Joined: June 2010
Posted: February 16, 2011 04:16 PM
Curtis:
Thanks for your help!! I, checked again . The model is 151M(b). I am sure Havlin can help, w/ my problem.
Roy, Thank you for the vote of confidence....but...there are at least 3 ladies who would laugh and laugh loudly at even the thought of doing that...even in jest!!!
Ezequiel
Joined: August 2011
Posted: February 16, 2011 05:23 PM
Roy, Thank you for the vote of confidence....but...there are at least 3 ladies who would laugh and laugh loudly at even the thought of doing that...even in jest!!!
Roy- I THINK the 51M and 151M strip in a similar manner. This is a link to an original 51M instruction sheet- you will need to enlarge it. If you can release the catch at the rear, draw bolt back, and slip bolt handle out, you can pull the rest. Good luck, and keep the Mossys shooting- http://www.box54.com/inst-model-51mb.jpg
Curtis Childress
Joined: March 2018
Posted: February 17, 2011 01:46 AM
Roy- I THINK the 51M and 151M strip in a similar manner. This is a link to an original 51M instruction sheet- you will need to enlarge it. If you can release the catch at the rear, draw bolt back, and slip bolt handle out, you can pull the rest. Good luck, and keep the Mossys shooting- http://www.box54.com/inst-model-51mb.jpg
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Curtis:
You are right they do strip down in a similar manner Many thanks, for the instruction sheet. when magnified to 400%, I, have everything I,need once I,
get the S-b cocking knob removed, from the receiver!!
Thank again
Roy
Roy Mcleod
Joined: June 2010
Posted: February 17, 2011 06:00 PM
Curtis:
You are right they do strip down in a similar manner Many thanks, for the instruction sheet. when magnified to 400%, I, have everything I,need once I,
get the S-b cocking knob removed, from the receiver!!
The firing pin locks the bolt handle in place. Pull the spring and striker, and the FP should move back- could be crud keeping the FP forward. It has a small bit that sticks down and fits into the bolt handle groove. Maybe a couple of drops of oil or penetrant (I like Kroil) to help it move. Good luck-
Curtis Childress
Joined: March 2018
Posted: February 17, 2011 10:12 PM
The firing pin locks the bolt handle in place. Pull the spring and striker, and the FP should move back- could be crud keeping the FP forward. It has a small bit that sticks down and fits into the bolt handle groove. Maybe a couple of drops of oil or penetrant (I like Kroil) to help it move. Good luck-
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Curtis:
Thanks for your help and instructions. I, had tried several times, to move the cocking knob, to the rear, for removal of the cocking knob and then, the bolt assy.
NO way could I, get it to move, to the rear or cock the trigger!! looking at instructions, I, realized, the bolt and hammer, were heavy units. I, took your advice
and POURED liquid wrench down receiver rear, still nothing moved!! So, I, took a BRASS hammer and tapped the cocking knob several times, NO movement.
I, then took ONE more good WACK!! Bingo, the cocking knob then went back into place, and removed easly, as well as the bolt assy, from the receiver.
I was puzzeled, what was the problem. Everything looked ok. But, I, soon discovered, a small piece of cloth patching material,about 1/4 inch square
Jammed on the left side in the ejector area!! I, have to say it, was soaked with liquid wrench, and removed easely.
When receiver cleaned, and re-assembled, I, soon found the rifle NOW works flawlessly!!
I, have explained this all as best I, can
Many thanks
Roy
Roy Mcleod
Joined: June 2010
Posted: February 19, 2011 08:57 PM
Curtis:
Thanks for your help and instructions. I, had tried several times, to move the cocking knob, to the rear, for removal of the cocking knob and then, the bolt assy.
NO way could I, get it to move, to the rear or cock the trigger!! looking at instructions, I, realized, the bolt and hammer, were heavy units. I, took your advice
and POURED liquid wrench down receiver rear, still nothing moved!! So, I, took a BRASS hammer and tapped the cocking knob several times, NO movement.
I, then took ONE more good WACK!! Bingo, the cocking knob then went back into place, and removed easly, as well as the bolt assy, from the receiver.
I was puzzeled, what was the problem. Everything looked ok. But, I, soon discovered, a small piece of cloth patching material,about 1/4 inch square
Jammed on the left side in the ejector area!! I, have to say it, was soaked with liquid wrench, and removed easely.
When receiver cleaned, and re-assembled, I, soon found the rifle NOW works flawlessly!!
As the man said- doncha just HATE it when that happens! Glad you got it worked out. Love my old Mossys- walnut stocks, hand lapped barrels, and I do not have to sell my firstborn into slavery to collect them.
Curtis Childress
Joined: March 2018
Posted: February 21, 2011 04:43 PM
As the man said- doncha just HATE it when that happens! Glad you got it worked out. Love my old Mossys- walnut stocks, hand lapped barrels, and I do not have to sell my firstborn into slavery to collect them.
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Chris:
i, really, like those Mossys, as you call them!! I, have three in my collection. First, a 151M(b), the one I, had a problem with. Second, a real old 51M.
Third, a 14M 488A Westren Field. For my collection, I, am looking fro a model 352 or a 352K. Is a 350K, the same type, with the front folding handle/
I, have a new black folding handle an inst kit, i am looking to sell!!
I, also have three other 22 auto rifles, I, really like. First Springfield 87A. Second a Savage 6DL. Third a Westfield 487T (series A)
Thanks again for your help
Roy
Roy Mcleod
Joined: June 2010
Posted: February 23, 2011 04:52 PM
Chris:
i, really, like those Mossys, as you call them!! I, have three in my collection. First, a 151M(b), the one I, had a problem with. Second, a real old 51M.
Third, a 14M 488A Westren Field. For my collection, I, am looking fro a model 352 or a 352K. Is a 350K, the same type, with the front folding handle/
I, have a new black folding handle an inst kit, i am looking to sell!!
I, also have three other 22 auto rifles, I, really like. First Springfield 87A. Second a Savage 6DL. Third a Westfield 487T (series A)
Roy- here is a good rundown on the Mossberg 22s. http://home.epix.net/~damguy/models.htm
As far as I know, the fold down forearm started with the Model 152 (have 3 of those) and the 142 (bolt action- got one) Just picked up my second 51M, am looking for a cheap 151M. Have a 151K (24 inch barrel) a 44 US, and a 144. Also got hooked on Remington 550's- now have 4- and it is spreading to Targetmasters, Matchmasters, etc. But really, I can quit anytime I want to. And it's not like I'm addicted- they are only 22s......
Curtis Childress
Joined: March 2018
Posted: February 28, 2011 12:37 AM
Roy- here is a good rundown on the Mossberg 22s. http://home.epix.net/~damguy/models.htm
As far as I know, the fold down forearm started with the Model 152 (have 3 of those) and the 142 (bolt action- got one) Just picked up my second 51M, am looking for a cheap 151M. Have a 151K (24 inch barrel) a 44 US, and a 144. Also got hooked on Remington 550's- now have 4- and it is spreading to Targetmasters, Matchmasters, etc. But really, I can quit anytime I want to. And it's not like I'm addicted- they are only 22s......
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Curtis:
Thanks, for the Mossberg web site!! Very interesting. I, really, know what you mean, those Mossys can become addictive. At
this point, I, am really looking for, a model with the ft fold down handle!!
Thanks again
Roy
Roy Mcleod
Joined: June 2010
Posted: March 1, 2011 04:55 PM
Curtis:
Thanks, for the Mossberg web site!! Very interesting. I, really, know what you mean, those Mossys can become addictive. At
this point, I, am really looking for, a model with the ft fold down handle!!